To Walter Eisele and Comrades

Give it up, Walter!

Nobody will buy your Eastern block manufactured 'pseudo-LS' crap, and you will only succeed in 2 things:

1. Causing the extinction of some exquisitely beautiful sailplanes.

2. Having you and your 'secret investor' go bankrupt.

Leave LS in DG's capable German hands!

HAHAHAHAAHAAAA... Eastern Block manufactured crap! ROFLMAO!!! )) Have You ever heard that Stemme S-10 is manufactured in Poland and the German just put the engine inside and stick the brand name? It's hard to understand but true.

I own a Stemme, most of the composite work done in Poland. And also a Schleicher 26e, German to the bone.

Inside the Stemme, in places most won't see without a borescope, there's dust and fiberglass bits that could/should have been removed before assembly. Some Stemmes more of this, some less. If I were building it and taking pride in my work, all those out of sight places would be spotless.

In those hidden away places inside my 26e, it's absolutely flawless. Seems Schleicher cares just as much about the 'hidden quality' as the pretty outsides.

btw, I still love the Stemme!

Fact remains that quality sometimes suffers when using sub-contractors. Bits of fiberglass are way more acceptable than spar caps that come apart.

Think a little bit. Do you call Lak-17/19 and Genesis2, HPH produced Glasfluegel 304CZ and ELAN/AMS gliders DG-505/1000 eastern-block manufactured crap? Lak-17 showed its perfomance at Lezsno last summer and it wasn't bad at all.

Tanel (flown Blaniks Jantars and Laks- all so called eastern-block manufactured crap)

Add to this list SZD-55, SZD-51 Junior for beginners, and SZD-50 Puchacz for complete newbies. All of them are in production again.

I call all those ships you mentioned 'second rate' performers.

Who is going to develop anything new for LS out of the Eastern Block?

How can you hope to compete with the German University trained whiz-kid designers?

The best that can be done is the provision of cheap labor to build something designed elsewhere...... and with the advent of the Discus CS and Duo-Discus spar problems, I doubt even that.

Should LS go out of Germany, I hope you prove us all wrong.

John

Add to this list SZD-55, SZD-51 Junior for beginners, and SZD-50 Puchacz for complete newbies. All of them are in production again.

Wait for the new HPH 304(5)S and the 'new' SZD-56 ( read the daily bullitens from Leszno WGC for new developments planned!) I think they will give the Germans something to think about - and the LAK-17's and 19's seemed to be doing OK at Lezsno against the German competition!

Huh... I'll have a great mood for today! Laugh is good in the morning. Stereotypes again...

Have a nice day,

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The '56' is in the production already. You can always contact the designer at: www.bpberes.com.pl I might give a wrong address, just typing from the memory. If it's wrong, I'll send the good one later.

This thread is just about some (umfortunately many) people whose minds can't accept that the Germany, US, UK and few other nations hasn't monopoly for a high quality production or service and the East Europe which can intercept much of the production as we can do it at least equally good and at the lower price.

at the lower price.

Equally good in Eastern Europe? Like, Duo-Discus spars for example?

Well, I would not judge all producers in Eastern Europe on the basis of one sub-contractor.

Neither SZD- nor LAK gliders have had any similar problems. I guess the whole question of quality boils down to engineering and responsibilities for quality control.

As in many other areas of business, excessive sub-contracting may lower quality, as the sub-contractors may not always take the same interest and pride in the end product.

We all agree the Germans are good with glider design and manufacturing. But also Poland and Lithuania have long traditions with composite stuctures as well as research in low-speed aerodynamics. One should not dismiss the Slovenes or Czech either.